"The Karma Society believed their order was beneficial when it was slaughtering children for food and declaring lives unworthy of the benefits of their order without knowing the people." Lupa says that as a simple fact, keeping the way he recoils from the concept carefully in check. That reaction will not help him make his point.

To show his willingness to listen, he finally sits in the provided chair. "I will listen while you detail why your plan for order will benefit and not harm."