The Powers That Be ([personal profile] powersthatbe) wrote2018-01-10 06:52 pm

Ouroboros Retrograde - plot role info

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-10 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)

He would have found only three Wills present in Liminal Space - two active and one passive.

There are some similarities but they feel quite different in a number of ways.

With the bigger Starquake, he'll have a sense of something reaching out and questioning.

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-10 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
If he focuses on the passive one, and what they desire/plan/intend etc what (if anything) will he learn from that?

If he pokes at the Starquake's questioning, will he be able to figure out what it is questioning and reaching for?
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-10 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)

The passive one is simply waiting, not influencing anything.

Pokes at how?

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-10 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Will he get anything if he pokes at one of the active wills?

Pokes, as in, focusing to get more detail. Reaching out implies that it wants or intends something, and will can be used to express desire, intent, plans, or willpower, which all fall under his archetype (Or will as in future tense, but Lupa's not quite as connected to that part of will so he tends to get vague results when he's looking at things from that direction.)
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-10 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)

Reaching out his will towards the Starquake's question is likely to both reveal a significant answer to him - and precipitate his transformation into a Harbinger. Your call if he cuts contact in time & remains unsure, or commits to pursuing the answer.

The active wills are both focused on dozens of things at once, staying vigilant & making minimal changes - active watching & balancing, essentially, like someone birdwatching while standing on a high wire. The minds are vast enough to feel more like places than people.

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-10 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
At this point, things are looking desperate enough to take the risk, so yeah, he'll pursue the answer.

Okay, so would he have likely picked up Merge on his own just from knowing it exists and generally what it does, or do I have to wrangle a teaching thread with Yuuki/Right (there are a couple threads I could turn to teaching a thing)

Because if he knows Merge (and I want to have actual!Lupa pick it up anyway) that's the next step he'd take.
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-10 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)

He can certainly have picked up Merge on his own - teaching thread is only necessary if he's keeping it as a skill & it's a second skill.

The Starquakes are some kind of search, originating in deeper levels of dream by some consciousness. At first they mainly affected terrain because they thought terrain was what they were looking for. Now they're chasing people because they've realized people are what they're looking for.

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-10 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright then, what will Merge tell him about Liminal and the wills behind it?

Excellent. So what can the Harbinger of Will do since that's... less clear of an Archetype than Storms and will going Harbinger offer him more insight on why they're seeking people, and/or unveil the wills behind the Starquakes a bit?
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-11 12:34 am (UTC)(link)

I would say the Harbinger of Will could imbue areas woth a rudimentary consciousness and purpose.

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-11 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
That's actually kind of awesome.

But, um, you didn't answer the other question? Would Merge on Liminal give him anything or have consequences, or would it just fail?
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] rosewater_path 2018-02-11 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Merge in Liminal will show him what Sayf was shown: a yin-yang globe with two beings at work inside it, which we can thread or handwave. As far as insight: he will realize that people are not "becoming" Harbingers - the consciousnesses behind the Starquakes are using Harbingers as extensions of their Will, with very little understanding of what they are doing.
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-11 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent, thank you! If he'll be able to interact at all, we can thread, otherwise, we can just handwave that he saw the thing.

And that is very important information, and also very worrying. Time to talk with other Oracles about this and see if they can Oracle any information about what the consciousnesses behind the Starquakes are.
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-13 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Here's the thread: https://synodiporia.dreamwidth.org/197931.html?thread=85838379#cmt85838379

If there isn't anything more he can get from that, just say so! Otherwise, let's do the thing and see what he can learn. (Also, he's blind so he doesn't process things as visual information anymore, so if that would change things up for him somehow, let me know)

Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] powersthatare 2018-02-13 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
I think that would be the major takeaway! He could hear the Wills as two instruments at work in a space large enough to be designed for many more.
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-13 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, interesting, thanks!
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-13 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Another question, re: Lupa going Harbinger. If he reads his own will after this, will he be able to pick out any lingering influence of the Starquakes' wills within his own?

Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] powersthatare 2018-02-13 03:28 am (UTC)(link)

Yes, but it's latent, sleeping, when he isn't actively Harbingered up.

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-13 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Would someone with a correct Archetype be able to use that to track the Starquake's wills back to the source deeper in the Dream somewhere?
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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] whatspringislike 2018-02-13 03:31 am (UTC)(link)

That... sounds like it could work, with an Archetype that permitted that kind of tracking, yes!!

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Re: Council of Senpai, Double Valence-Era - Lupa

[personal profile] papacerberus 2018-02-13 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
excellent