They would have ended this conversation long ago, were it with anyone but one of their Chosen. As it is, Penuel is very close to dismissing Lyall - but he is attempting to act within their shared idiom.
"The rules of engagement are all that stand between us and utter chaos. They must be followed. It is the only sure path away from ruin and toward redemption."
Honestly, he's a little surprised they've let him argue with them this long, but he continues to press, because he doesn't know if he'll get another chance-- and while he wants to continue to fight for their idiom, because he believes in what it stands for, but if the one backing those rules is inflexible and even dangerous to other Travelers... he's not sure he can.
"Then tell us what the rules of engagement are," he urges. "We can't follow rules if we don't know them, and it would be cruel of you to punish us for breaking rules we don't know. Tell us why things hurt you or anger you, and then we'll understand. Please, we want to understand."
"Just because you chose me doesn't mean I can read your mind, Penuel, and I have not experienced the things you have experienced, so I don't have the reference points to know how you made your conclusions," Lyall tries to explain one more time. "I'm a scientist. I need data to form conclusions. Right now, I have very little data, about you, about what makes you so angry, about what happened to your fellow Arcana. Without that, I can't know what you expect me to know."
"Your fellow Travelers have certainly done enough digging where they ought not go to tell you what happened to my siblings. Go and gather your data, Randolph Lyall, and then you will know."
And with that, Lyall will find himself rather unceremoniously dumped back into Liminal proper.
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"The rules of engagement are all that stand between us and utter chaos. They must be followed. It is the only sure path away from ruin and toward redemption."
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"Then tell us what the rules of engagement are," he urges. "We can't follow rules if we don't know them, and it would be cruel of you to punish us for breaking rules we don't know. Tell us why things hurt you or anger you, and then we'll understand. Please, we want to understand."
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And with that, Lyall will find himself rather unceremoniously dumped back into Liminal proper.